Author: Jennifer Sauter

The following interview is adapted from a conversation on January 23, 2026 between SCVN Media Lead Maya Wei Yan Linsley and filmmaker Olaf Markmann, who worked with SCVN’s Iraq/Syria Research Cluster on the documentary short film “I Just Keep Going.” Olaf’s film offers a glimpse into the collaboration between comic artist Birgit Weyhe and Yezidi survivor Jilan (pseudonym), and explores Jilan’s experiences in northern Iraq when the Islamic State (ISIS) began a genocide against the Yezidi people in August of 2014. Since Jilan’s identity remains anonymous, Olaf’s approach required sensitivity, confidentiality, and technical skills to conceal her while filming and editing. This interview explores Olaf’s approach to filmmaking, how he connected with the SCVN project, and his considerations when filming with Jilan to ensure her privacy while sharing her experiences.

Olaf Markmann filming for “I Just Keep Going” in Birgit Weyhe’s studio.

The photographs featured in this interview are a behind-the-scenes glimpse of Olaf’s time filming with Birgit and Jilan in July 2025. The photos from Birgit’s studio were taken by Elif Eker and the photos from Bergen-Belsen Memorial were taken by Kjell Anderson.

Maya: Thanks for being here with me. Let’s talk about your film. How did you end up working with SCVN? How did you find the project?

Olaf: SCVN actually found me through Leyla Ferman. I used to work with her, years ago, on a Yezidi project. We did a couple of interviews for her project, and she now and then seemed to work for SCVN, and recommended me.

And so, one morning I woke up and had an e-mail from Jennifer [Sauter] saying, “Hey, we have this recommendation from Leyla, and we have this film project with a lot of information, and read through it, take your time and let me know what you think.” And I went through it, having my coffee in the morning, and I was like, that sounds really great! I’m always in for a good cause. And then I said, yes, of course. That’s how I got on the project.

Maya: You were working on something related to Yezidi stories before?

Olaf: Yes. With Leyla together, we had a project for a memorial organization in Germany. There was a project funded for only two years. Leyla is Kurdish herself, but she knows the language. So she was perfect for doing the interviews. And we had like, I don’t know, 12 or 15 interviews of Yezidi survivors from the 2014 genocide in the north of Iraq.

I have a legacy of doing interviews for the memorial for Bergen-Belsen, for the concentration camp, and for the Nazi prison in Brunswick and Wolfenbüttel. I did close to 100 interviews for the memorial with survivors, with second generation survivors, sometimes third generation survivors, because you have family traumas. 

And that’s where we met, because I’m recommended internally at the memorial. And then I met Leyla and then we did the Yezidi project.

Right: Tapestry depicting a Yezidi temple. Centre & left: Olaf films Birgit Weyhe and Jilan at the Bergen-Belsen Memorial.

Maya: That’s really cool. How did you come to start doing that kind of work? Were you always interested in that?

Olaf: Not necessarily. It was because of a colleague that was asked by one of the interviewers from Bergen-Belsen. They had a first round of interviews [with Holocaust survivors]– let’s say in the late 90s or beginning of the 2000s – collected for a big exhibition, which was with post-production and everything, and planning a lot of work that took years. It kind of silenced all these interviews for a time.

Then Diana Gring, from the memorial in Bergen-Belsen, asked a colleague that she knew, [and] he asked me because I have all the gear. And then I talked to Diana, and we liked each other and started working [together] in 2010.

Maya: I like hearing about how people’s journeys have led them to where they are now.

Olaf: The beginning of the story is usually a really, really tragic one. Everybody has lost someone in the worst way imaginable. And that is the bad part of the story, which you have to hear if you want it or not all the time. There are similarities in those stories, but they all differ from the point when they leave the concentration camp, of course, because if they don’t leave, I wouldn’t interview them. And then that’s when it becomes interesting.

And most of the people are really nice people, thankful people, decent people. Most of them made something out of [their lives] because, “Hey, we survived the hell in a concentration camp. What else can kill me? Come on, let’s go for whatever life throws at us.” And it grounds me. It used to ground me a lot when I did these interviews back then, because I worry about things. I worry about my health, I worry about my family, I worry about taxes. 

And when I go out of these interviews, I’m like, my life is perfect compared to other people, really. It’s warm in my room. I have something in my fridge. There’s still some money in my bank account. We’re all kind of healthy. And we live in Germany. It’s good. Really, it’s good.

It’s good to have this kind of interview going on. And I tell those people a lot of times that I’m always a little grounded and very thankful for what I have when I’m going out of these interviews, because of the stories that you hear that you sometimes really cannot believe.

Maya: And so with Jilan’s story, how did you feel while you were making her film, and how were you taking care of yourself?

Olaf: The thing is, she speaks German because she’s been living here for 10 years. She speaks very good German. But once she gets emotional in her story and goes really deep in, she switches to Kurdish, so I’m not able to understand. And this is why we have Leyla also in the movie to translate.

Birgit, the comic artist, who is talking to her, understands what she’s saying. And in post-production, I got the transcript from the interview, and most of the things I first heard then, or I read then, because I couldn’t hear it on the day, except for some key points. Leyla’s always translating the main issues, but not everything word to word. And on the other hand, because I’m the filmmaker, I have to take care of the cameras, of the lights, of the sound, of the surrounding, of any noises, basically of everything.

Because I knew that Leyla was there, as a foundation or as a security for Jilan on the one hand, and for translating on the other hand. I knew that she’s very protected and I don’t really have to [worry] that much for Jilan, because she has Leyla, who she had known for years and trusts her.

And she also knew Birgit before. They had some meetings for the first draft of the comics. And I was the only new person there. But I guess Leyla said, “Olaf is a good guy. You will like him. He’s always fine. He did several interviews with [survivors].” So I guess that was a working ground, that was pretty good to start.

Maya: So when you were actually making the film, you were more focused on the technical aspects of the filmmaking and making sure everything was running smoothly?

Olaf: Yeah. More or less, because I had to, I was alone. The budget, as you know, was moderate. I tried to bring an assistant in for the two shooting days, but considering the budget, it was impossible. Oh, and there was a lot to do, but I’ve done this for over 25 years as a freelancer, so I know what I’m doing. 

Maya: What was it like for you during the filming process and the editing, making sure that you were protecting Jilan’s privacy? Because I know she’s supposed to be anonymous, and you don’t see her face. So how did you go about that?

Olaf: That was hard. Hard for me because when I said yes to Jennifer, I’ll do the movie, then she mentioned, well, “you remember in the briefing that I sent you, she needs to be anonymous. We cannot see her face, to protect the family.”

Maya: So what kind of choices were you making when you edited the film to deal with that? What kind of decisions have you been making to bring out the impact?

Olaf: I tried to bring out the impact over the story because the interview is like 2 hours long, and the film can only be like 10 or 12 minutes. You have a little freedom. 

But I had to read this two-hour long interview, like 50, 60, 80 pages, and filter it, “Okay, what is the key point?” So the viewer can see the story, what happened, how horrific is it, what happened then to her when she’s separated, and how she escaped. This is why she’s here now and can tell her story. And what happened in between is the horrific thing that people need to hear to connect, of course.

And I just tried to build a story around this, but Jilan, maybe due to her age, was not so open about what really happened to her. I talked to Birgit also about it before and after. Jilan is very closed off in saying things. She’s protecting herself, I guess. Maybe she doesn’t want to think about it again. I think it was really, really, really, really bad for her being in captivity. But what really happened, it always scratches the surface and opens the door just a little bit and then closes it back again.

Reading the interview in the translation was difficult. I needed to have an impact, but I cannot see her face; I cannot see emotions. So what she’s saying has to be impactful. And I think I found the passages that make sense. I have the story in these minutes, so I can build up a story in these minutes that I have, with the impact that we need, to let the audience have these feelings for her.

Hopefully, I cannot really keep at it anymore because I’m working since May on this movie. And sometimes, I don’t really know. I need to step back and let it rest for some weeks and then go back at it again. To say, “OK, is it good or is it bad? Was it the right choice to do?”

Maya: Wow, it sounds like the editing was really the big challenge.

Olaf: Yeah. It was. You say a lot of times: “the movie is made in post-production.” There it all comes together; there you build a story. I’m usually not of this opinion because I’m a cinematographer. The story is built on set or in pre-production. But this time I totally agree.

Yes, I had to make the story. I made sure during shooting that I had everything, that everything is there that I need to tell the story image-wise, footage-wise. And then I had the freedom to do everything in post-production, just to have enough footage of here, enough footage of there.

And I needed a lot of what we call B-roll. So we need a lot of footage, like a wide shot, a tighter shot from another angle, just to have these one, two, three-minute passages where she is speaking, I need something that the viewer can see. Maybe some reactions from her, so I can underline what she’s saying with some footage.

I think we did good, and hopefully people are sensitive enough to get the story. I really think that. 

Close-up of Jilan being filmed in interview with Kjell and Leyla.

Maya: So in your perfect world, what kind of impact would this film have on its viewers?

Olaf: I don’t know the word. I have the German word, but I just don’t know the translation to English. In German, it’s Empörung [indignation]… I want them to be angry about the situation.

I want them to be angry about the injustice, about racism, about fascism, about religious fanaticism. I want them to be angry and loud about it. And I want them to stand up and say, “OK, I don’t know what, but I want to do something about it. I want to take action and not sit silent at home and doom scroll till death.”

Hopefully it has the same impact. And if it’s just one of 100 people that starts doing something, that would be enough. That’s why I’m doing this.

Maya: How do you think that film, specifically, has the potential to inspire anger and inspire people to action?

Olaf: I think people can relate because they see things they maybe already know, or things they don’t know. And I feel like if you’re doing this kind of documentary work, you are documenting things that are already there. And people can, I think, better relate to things that they know are real, and are more grounded in realism, than fictional movies.

Fictional movies can better play with emotions and evoke emotions. It has to be made good for the viewers. If you’re not interested in the topic and just watch it on some documentary channel, chances are maybe not so big that it has the impact, that it has a movie that is just built for evoking emotions in you. That’s why it’s made.

Maya: Yeah, I agree. And these films, including yours, I think our hope is that they will end up in classroom settings and students will be able to see them, which is maybe, you know, the best place to have a film like that. 

Maya: Could you talk a little bit more about the ethical considerations behind your work on the film? I’m interested to hear about the work you did preparing to make the film, and the things you were thinking about.

Olaf:  Because I did so much work for the memorials, I did not think that much about ethical considerations because they are imminent for me. Really, my main concern was, how do I get impactful footage without showing her face? That was my main concern, because that is like three quarters of the work on these shooting days. And I had to check on the time and so on. Ethics were mandatory and an obligation, but I didn’t really have to think about it.

I was very polite when I first met Jilan. We met her at lunch. I first did some footage with Birgit, the comic artist, and then we did a little interview with her. And then we went to lunch. And there I met Jilan for the first time. And after lunch, we just went right into an interview, going over comic footage and talking about the story. I had to be a little sensitive with her and not overwhelm her with technical aspects. That was my main goal for the, let’s say, first hour. She has to feel confident and secure and warm so she can open up herself a little bit.

Maya:  Yeah, totally. Did Birgit’s comic drawing work influence your vision for the film at all?

Olaf:  I really have to think about that because I saw the comic first on the shooting day. After the shooting day, she sent me the first 15 pages, and I was thinking of incorporating some of the comic images, but I didn’t feel they were right in the movie that I was doing. I did a very slow pan over the first pictures because they were perfectly aligned with what she was saying. “I was young. I played with Arabs and Muslims and Yezidis, we were all friends. We slept together. We ate together. Everything was fine. I wanted to become a doctor.” And I saw this all-in-one comic picture. And that was perfect for going into the movie.

Olaf filming the opening sequence panning over pages on rollers.

But then it was like, I looked over the other pictures that I had and was like, “no, these don’t really fit.” So I put them aside. I watched it; I read it. But they were not really fitting because it was a lot of story before everything happened. That wasn’t really my main point for the movie, so I didn’t really need that comic much.

But I must say, I like Birgit’s style a lot. And now, I don’t know if you know, but we had a little reshoot three months after principal shooting because Jilan was not really satisfied with her answers because, she said, “it’s not good that I switched between German and Kurdish.”

I was like, but it doesn’t get more realistic than this. Going emotional, going to your mother language. I mean, everybody can relate to this.

And let’s be honest, maybe 1% of the people that watch this movie can either understand Kurdish or German. So they don’t really know what you are saying. They are reading subtitles.

But she was pretty adamant about it. And they told me, well, we are recording this with an iPhone. I said, “you don’t record anything. I’m coming over!” And we did another round of shooting, of course, hiding her face. And I did another concept for the room that we were in. The room was one of the smallest rooms I ever shot in. So it didn’t really look nice.

But there was one situation where she started crying a little bit and had like two, three sentences with a crying voice. And really, I still get goosebumps when I think about it. It wasn’t that present to me when I was in the situation with her, because I knew she was protected by Leyla. She was with us. And I couldn’t see her either because she was behind this white wall. I just saw a shadow. I heard her. And I was like, “Oh, I’m curious what she’s saying,” because she did it all in Kurdish. I didn’t understand a word. And so I had to wait for the translation, and I had to scroll through the footage to find it, to look after the time codes and see, okay, what is she saying at this point?

Fortunately, she said something I could use. But I hate to show people crying. I really, really hate it. I don’t want to see people crying in the movie. But this is the most impactful scene ever I had with Jilan. And I was very – I’m sorry to say that – but I was very thankful for the scene. And I edited it in. And Jennifer agreed to it. She said, it’s really, really, really impactful.

Screenshot from one of the different draft versions of the filmed interview with Jilan.

Maya: How was your experience working with SCVN? What was it like working with all the different levels of team members and support people to create the film?

Olaf: I just actually worked together with Kjell Anderson. He was present and did the long interview. He was quite helpful and a very nice guy. But most of the discussions I had with Jennifer, we had two Zoom calls and endless emails. And I like Jennifer. She has very good energy. And she’s really deep into the project and really wholeheartedly in it. I like this energy. I think you must to have this energy on this topic. You cannot handle this like, I don’t know, any commercial for any perfume or shoe or dresses or whatever.

You have to bring – you must want to do this, and you feel it with Jennifer. And I haven’t talked to anyone else. My artistic freedom was very limited in the feedback. But okay, it’s straightforward feedback. So I’ll deal with it. If I say no, then it’s no and it’s fine. I had Jennifer also say, “Olaf, do it as you want it. I thought about it once again and I think it’s good what you said, and do it.”

That’s the kind of professionalism that I really admire. That was really on the same eye level that I had with Jennifer. The working experience, that was really, really, really nice. I wish I had every producer would be like Jennifer. My life would be so much easier. So kudos to you, Jennifer, if you see this!

Leyla and Kjell in between filming the interviews.

Maya:  What advice would you give to other filmmakers working on storytelling and documentary about human rights and atrocities?

Olaf: You need to deal with it, and that it’s not always easy. If you want to deal with atrocities and human rights and so on, I think you will have seen maybe a lot in movies and magazines and photos that you know what you’re up to do. So hopefully you’re not shocked by what you might hear or see when you start working on it, and find yourself a project or a survivor that is willing to tell you a story and you make something out of it.

Like we said, it grounds me, and I’m very thankful for the experiences that I can share and collect and distribute. On the other hand, I am shocked and horrified that this is possible in 2025. Sometimes it seems like we’re still in the Middle Ages or in the Stone Age – how people treat other people. It’s unbelievable and it leaves me speechless a lot of times.

I learned when I come home from shooting and when I shut down the computer, I don’t think about it anymore. To protect myself and my family, especially my wife.

Because usually we talk when I come home, “how was your shooting day? What did you do?” Now I’m doing a lot of things for the Nazi prison in Wolfenbüttel near Brunswick. And we have the children and the grandchildren of the inmates that are killed there, that have been killed there in ’44, ’45. And there’s a trauma in the family. It’s not that horrifying of a story, of course, because they usually don’t know their grandparents because they were killed in the prison. They just know the traumatized grandmother, usually.

But these people are nice people, and we have a chat about this and that. They call the memorial because they heard their grandfather was executed there, and somebody who’s executed must have been a really, really bad person. When they call them, sometimes people are crying. They tell them, “yes, the name is so and so. Yes, we have him in our database. And the family really needs to know what he did. He must have been a horrible person.” Well, yes, I look it up. We have like a small database where we can like look right now. We have a big database where it takes us some time to research it. And Martina, that is my interview person that I constantly work with in the prison, this one call she said, “oh, yes, I have the name here. He stole a chicken.”

That was it. He was executed for stealing a chicken in 1944. That was Nazi Germany. It’s called Volksschädling [offensive term used during the Nazi regime that translates as “harmful organism”] which is somebody who does bad things towards his tribe, his peoples. And the family is so relieved, and of course they are then willing to come to visit the memorial and maybe give an interview. I get to know these people, and they’re nice people. 

I remember one story years ago, maybe 10 years ago, in Bergen-Belsen from the concentration camp, we had a survivor from Bergen-Belsen. She was way over 90 years old. And she was 16 when she was in the concentration camps. And she was in Auschwitz. She was in Bergen-Belsen. She saw everything. She made the big hunger march. And she really saw everything. And this story, because it was in German, I could understand everything. It was the worst story I’ve ever heard.

And on that evening when my wife asked, “how was today? How was the survivor?” I said, “Not today. I cannot tell. Later.”

That was the worst story.

Maya:  It’s good advice. Keeping a boundary. You need to. Even with my work on the project, I need to. Sometimes I have to close my computer and take a walk, not think about it.

Maya: Before we wrap up, Is there anything else you want to share or highlight about this project?

Olaf:  I think I said everything. I put the inside out, so to say. It was an honour and a privilege to do a project like this, which came out of nowhere. Just in my inbox one morning. And usually it looks like spam. I was close to deleting it, but then I saw the name Leyla Ferman, and I was like, “Oh, Leyla, maybe I should read the mail. Maybe it’s important.” And yes, the rest is history.

Maya: Lovely. Thank you for chatting with me. I loved hearing your insights.

Olaf: Thank you, Maya. It was a pleasure to meet you and to talk to you.

From left to right: Leyla, Birgit, Jilan and Olaf filming in Birgit’s studio.